There is a consensus in the transportation activism community that Amtrak will be back in Louisville. We know how to do it - we did it a decade ago, and gained vital experience doing it. Generally the groupthink is that we'll restore service to Indy and Chicago, because that's what we had last time.
David Hodson turns that idea on its head:
I want to introduce a subject if we could get some momentum going on could be quite feasible to re-establish Amtrak service to Louisville. With the recent stimulus funds and additional funding to Amtrak if we could get Metro Council, State of Kentucky, Nashville TN, State of Tennessee, Birmingham AL and State of Alabama on board I believe we could at least get a demonstration route for at least one year established between Louisville through Nashville TN to Birmingham AL to connect with Amtrak's Crescent service at Birmingham. Such a service would not only connect with The Crescent to New Orleans but a short layover in Birmingham would permit travelers to connect East to Atlanta GA.
I am going to discuss this with the Executive Director at The Kentucky Railway Museum who have a great deal of contact with Kentucky State officials and CSX Railroad.
This service would only require one set of equipment. The schedule while leaving from Louisville at approximately 5:00 am should not be detrimental to ridership. The Cardinal (both East and West bound) goes through Cincinnati OH in the middle of the night yet they have good passenger boarding numbers in both directions. Since the service could stop at E-town then Bowling Green and Nashville a great deal of college student traffic if promoted could be generated especially for basketball and football games. Also, quite a bit of traffic might be generated for persons going to Tennessee Titans football games in Nashville.
The possible ridership would be greater than Indy-Chicago's due to a number of logistical factors.
First, the trackage conditions between Louisville, Nashville and Birmingham would permit speeds comparable to most Amtrak short distance and long distance routes that have the highest ridership counts. The trackage is what is known as Class One with Centralized Traffic Control signaling which permits greater dispatching of trains options and high track speeds. The schedule between Loujisville, Nashville and Birmingham should permit covering the approximately 390 miles with station stops at Elizabethtown and Bowling Green KY, Nashville TN, Decatur AL (Huntsville AL) of somewhere between seven hours and fifty minutes to eight hours and ten minutes.
Second, this route has a number of colleges and universities along the route where students could be sold on the idea of commuting home or to sporting events via rail. Also, this route has a National Park along its routes Mammoth Cave National Park ( a possible flagstop could be established at Park City KY for those going to Mammoth Cave). Nashville TN has a number of attractions appealing to the traveling public not only for people from North of Nashville but even more so for persons from the South.
Third, this route would only require one set of train equipment to operate and would connect with a major well-patronized long distance route: The Crescent to New Orleans and Atlanta and other cities in the Carolinas.
Fourth, the route would permit a shorter elapsed trip time between Louisville and Nashville than the previously fastest passenger train service on this route to New Orleans, fifteen hours, versus the Louisville & Nashville Railroads Humming Bird of sixteen hours.
Fifth, this route would put back on Amtraks system two of the largest if not the two largest metropolitan areas now not directly served by Amtrak, Louisville KY and Nashville TN.
Sixth, there had previously been a great deal of interest in Nashville TN, The State of Tennessee and The State of Alabama in expanded passenger rail service. Contacts would have to be re-established or new contacts interest gauged but, I believe there is still great interest in the passenger rail transportation option.
To my knowledge there is no other corridor not currently served by Amtrak in one hundred mile to the closest Amtrak station stop than this area in size in the entire country with the population density of this area.
Let me know your thoughts. But, I believe this passenger rail service would worth efforts by Metro Louisville; and other government entities to at least get Amtrak to consider a one year trial service on the route.
What do people think? Should we look into this as a project for the upcoming jobs bill?
Comments
Yes, Yes, Resoundingly
Yes, Yes, Resoundingly Yes!!! Bring Amtrak back to Louisville!!! We need it as a safe and affordable way to travel. We must drive to Indianapolis to take advantage of this alternative form of transportation. Bring it back bigger, better, and with more destinations!
Reply from Phil Adams
The CART Board has discussed this proposal at length, balancing the pros and cons. It is our view that the following factors should be considered:
The CART Board is pleased that you have communicated with us and shared your suggestion. We view the Coalition for the Advancement of Regional Transportation as a catalyst for divergent opinions and suggestions for a better transportation network for America. From these emerge proposals for providing much-needed public transport.
We welcome your thoughts on the subject of rail passenger service for our country and would invite you to join with CART in our endeavour to continue to bring this to the attention fo our elected officials, Amtrak, our friends, and the general public.
We thank you again for your thoughtful suggestions. We respond do your proposal with our own thoughts and beliefs, not to dissuade you, but to further stimulate your opinions to to share them with CART.
Sincerely,
Philip H. Adams
CART Board
Amtrak On L&N
It is nice to see the comments from both Phillip Adams and Dave Hodsen regarding rail development in our region. Both proudly served on the board of our State Rail Passenger Advocacy Group KIRA for many years.
There are several goals we must address to having Kentucky better served by Amtrak
1. A huge effort must be made to upgrade the Louisville and Indiana Railway Tracks between Louisville and Indianapolis Indiana. This involves scheduling meetings with INDOT, and Barren Hills office to put that line on their radar screen. Noting as follows.
a- The is an identified need for additional passenger services within the state of Indiana , clearly this need is being solved somewhat by The new Hoosier Ride service starting this month by Miller Trailways however it has its limitations.
b. Improved trackage would offer a faster routing for thru freight services between Louisville and Chicago currently unavailable from CSX which must route all traffic via Cincinnati or Evansville or up the x Monon line to Mitchell and then via the old B&O line to where it intersects the old C&EI line from Evansville
C. Upgrading of the line would create jobs in its reconstruction and is a shovel ready project for Indiana’s stimulus funding. At a cost of a million dollars a mile there is 114 miles of track so that figures to be $114 million dollars for basic reconstruction. Add to that the installation of CTC control to allow speeds over 59 mph and that increases the price even more.
2. Get Congressman Barren Hill, John Yarmuth and Bret Guthrie to sponsor legislation requiring the study of a new Amtrak service on this route to the South. Including a Birmingham alternative then study the three possible routes south of Birmingham to Jacksonville these are as follows
a. Birmingham to Jacksonville via old Central of Georgia / ACL Routing once used by the City of Miami
b. Birmingham to Jacksonville old L&N / ACL routing used by the South Wind
c. Birmingham to Jacksonville via X SAL trackage used by the Kansas City to Fla special
3. Get a feel from CSX regarding both Louisville- Nashville- Birmingham route and the Louisville- Nashville- Chattanooga- Atlanta route from CSX state relations staff.
4. Have discussions with KYTC regarding Kentucky’s Passenger Rail plan and how it addresses future rail passenger planning (The last one really does not)
5. Meet with TNDOT, ALDOT and GADot regarding their commitments to new passenger rail services
6. Build Multi State support and form a coalition of groups for the push
7. Identify funding issues, partnerships and solutions
John Owen
Former Director NARP region V
Director KIRA
L'Ville-N'ville-Bmghm-ATL
I am encouraged to see that passenger rail is getting some interest in Kentucky and AL and GA. As an Illions rail fan I really want to see the system expanded into the southeast. It is a shame that we in the US cannot travel form Fla to Atl or N'ville by rail and we cannot go from Chicago to Atl or L'ville by rail. What is clear from the recent Fed funding of rail is that the projects that had the most state & local support and were prepared with preliminary studies did in fact receive the funds. The rail advocates in KY, AL and GA and TN need to really put the pressure on the state legislatures and US reps to make this a priority. Keep up the good work!
I would really like to see a
I would really like to see a line from nashville to Birmingham.
Currently I have to find a way to birmingham to catch a train to New Orleans. I love the cost effectiveness of train travel, not to mention that it is much more pleasant than the now unfriendly skies.
I really hope to see Amtrak
I really hope to see Amtrak in Nashville with service to Birmingham
Good idea
Good idea. Amtrak to and from Louisville is a good idea; let's have a Facebook campaign that can make it work out for everybody. I don't need to drive up to Cincinnati or down to Fulton,KY for the Amtrak,